He's technically right, the GB don't do admin work or implement anything at the local level..
I've come up with a line of reasoning on another thread to maybe help cut through the BS..
Any refinements or suggestions more than welcome :)
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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Shameless lies of the head of Australian Betel just to protect the GB
by paradisebeauty inwatching the royal commission videos from day 6.. the head of the australian branch is such a liar.
he keeps saying they have the right to make decisions and regulations if they are in accordance with the scriptures, but we all know this is such a lie!!!!.
he is just trying to protect the gb members from bring forced to testify!!
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defender of truth
I hope you left out the 'bring in Geoffrey jackson' part.. ;)
Seriously, thank you. I hope it made sense and they consider the line of reasoning.
I don't always come across as I mean to.
(The Governing Body would have had to read and approve the infamous letter about reappointing child molesters,wouldn't they? I'm wondering if I'm right about the letters now..)
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Shameless lies of the head of Australian Betel just to protect the GB
by paradisebeauty inwatching the royal commission videos from day 6.. the head of the australian branch is such a liar.
he keeps saying they have the right to make decisions and regulations if they are in accordance with the scriptures, but we all know this is such a lie!!!!.
he is just trying to protect the gb members from bring forced to testify!!
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Also, can someone please suggest to the RC that they ask the bethel head something along the lines of..
"Did the Governing Body have to approve the material contained in the Shepherd the Flock book (latest elders manual), before it could be distributed to overseers in the various congregations? *Yes*
And do the elders have to follow the instructions contained in this book, including the procedure for dealing with incidents of Child abuse? *Yes*
Does the same apply to confidential letters already submitted, that concern how to deal with those accused of committing child abuse? Did the Governing Body have to read and approve those as well, before they were sent out as instructions to the elders?
Then the Governing Body are responsible for setting the procedure for dealing with child abuse within the organisation.
Bring in Geoffrey Jackson!! "
Seriously, can someone make a suggestion like this?
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Shameless lies of the head of Australian Betel just to protect the GB
by paradisebeauty inwatching the royal commission videos from day 6.. the head of the australian branch is such a liar.
he keeps saying they have the right to make decisions and regulations if they are in accordance with the scriptures, but we all know this is such a lie!!!!.
he is just trying to protect the gb members from bring forced to testify!!
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defender of truth
(Sorry i'll hopefully make it readable this time)
Also, can someone please suggest to the RC that they ask the bethel head something along the lines of..
"Did the Governing Body have to approve the material contained in the Shepherd the Flock book (latest elders manual), before it could be distributed to overseers in the various congregations? *Yes*
And do the elders have to follow the instructions contained in this book, including the procedure for dealing with incidents of Child abuse? *Yes*
Does the same apply to confidential letters already submitted, that concern how to deal with those accused of committing child abuse? Did the Governing Body have to read and approve those as well, before they were sent out as instructions to the elders?
Then the Governing Body are responsible for setting the procedure for dealing with child abuse within the organisation.
Bring in Geoffrey Jackson!! "
Seriously, can someone make a suggestion like this?
My emails are monitored by my parents, I don't have the guts to email the RC.
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Shameless lies of the head of Australian Betel just to protect the GB
by paradisebeauty inwatching the royal commission videos from day 6.. the head of the australian branch is such a liar.
he keeps saying they have the right to make decisions and regulations if they are in accordance with the scriptures, but we all know this is such a lie!!!!.
he is just trying to protect the gb members from bring forced to testify!!
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defender of truth
Also, can someone please suggest to the RC that they ask the bethel head something along the lines of..
"Did the Governing Body have to approve the material contained in the Shepherd the Flock book (latest elders manual), before it could be distributed to overseers in the various congregations? *Yes*
And do the elders have to follow the instructions contained in this book, including the procedure for dealing with incidents of Child abuse? *Yes*
Does the same apply to confidential letters already submitted, that concern how to deal with those accused of committing child abuse? Did the Governing Body have to read and approve those as well, before they were sent out as instructions to the elders?
Then the Governing Body are responsible for setting the procedure for dealing with child abuse within the organisation.
Bring in Geoffrey Jackson!! "
Seriously, can someone make a suggestion like this?
My emails are monitored by my parents, I don't have the guts to email the RC.
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Shameless lies of the head of Australian Betel just to protect the GB
by paradisebeauty inwatching the royal commission videos from day 6.. the head of the australian branch is such a liar.
he keeps saying they have the right to make decisions and regulations if they are in accordance with the scriptures, but we all know this is such a lie!!!!.
he is just trying to protect the gb members from bring forced to testify!!
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defender of truth
The RC needs to be informed ASAP that it is the Governing Body that approve the Two Witness policy (the way they scripturally decide to apply it to child sexual abuse), and that are responsible for the instructional letters, the ones on how to scripturally handle important matters, that are sent to elders.. even if the instructions are passed on via the branch.
All this is from their official site..
"The Governing Body is a small group of mature Christians who provide direction for Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide.
The Governing Body follows the pattern set by “the apostles and elders in Jerusalem” in the first century, who made important decisions on behalf of the entire Christian congregation.
How is the Governing Body organized?
The Governing Body has established six committees to oversee various aspects of our work, and each member serves on one or more of these committees.
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Teaching Committee: Directs the preparation of spiritual instruction provided by means of meetings, schools, and audio and video programs.
Writing Committee: Directs the preparation of spiritual instruction provided in printed form and on our website and oversees translation work.
In addition to its work through these committees, the Governing Body meets each week to consider the needs of the organization."
www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body/
" In the first century, a small group, “the apostles and elders in Jerusalem,” served as a governing body to make important decisions on behalf of the entire anointed Christian congregation. (Acts 15:2)
When they made a unanimous decision, it was a result of discussing what the Scriptures say and yielding to the influence of God’s spirit. (Acts 15:25) That pattern is followed today...
It is being used by God to do his will. The anointed brothers who serve on the Governing Body have an intense interest in God’s Word and much experience in handling practical and spiritual matters. They meet each week to consider the needs of the worldwide brotherhood.
As in the first century, Bible-based instructions are provided either through letters or by means of traveling overseers and others. This promotes unity in thought and action among God’s people. (Acts 16:4, 5) The Governing Body oversees the preparation of spiritual food, gives impetus to the Kingdom-preaching work, and supervises the appointment of brothers to positions of responsibility. "
www.jw.org/en/publications/books/jehovahs-will/jehovahs-witnesses-governing-body/
And if anyone has other evidence of the GB approving all scripturally based policies, please put this information together with it ..
And Email it to the Royal Commission.
We could make a difference.
Can someone please email them?
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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defender of truth
Okay, that was several questions, I got carried away..
Sorry.
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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defender of truth
Hello Allison. If I may add another question to the 2 I posted on the previous page?
''If a child molester in your congregation confessed what he had done (confessed to you), would you report him to the police, or warn others in the congregation to watch their children around him?
If it was a man, and he had a position of responsibility in the congregation, would he be permanently removed from any such position?
If he was removed from a position of trust and responsibility, could he be reappointed to that position at a later time?
Would this policy (of reappointing former child molesters) be a fine way to protect children in the organisation, with nobody in the congregation knowing about the offenders past behaviour.. as he likely had told nobody except you or another elder?''
Focus on policies, not scripture.
Thanks for considering these..
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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defender of truth
Well done Anonymous.
Has anyone noticed that Allison has asked us all to give her questions to ask him?
Maybe we could focus on that.
Here mine: 'Why does the official procedure for investigating child sexual abuse (as set out in your organisation's confidential elders manual) include a number of older men asking the child for explicit details of what happened to them? These delicate and potentially traumatic interviews should surely be carried out by trained professionals? ie police."
Also: ' Is it true that yourself and the other members of the Governing Body are ultimately responsible for setting out all procedures of how allegations of child sexual abuse are dealt with? Do you and the rest of GB decide what goes into the elders manuals?'
Wording could be better, but you get the idea..